Version C's subtract-three conjecture
Version C's subtract-three conjecture
Consider a position of Version C with piles of size , for , where
Exclude the position with as its piles, equivalently . Version C's subtract-three conjecture. The position is a -position if and only if the total number of tokens is a multiple of . The claim was verified for and , but no general proof is supplied.
Progress summary
The original authors left the conjecture unproved, but a reader now claims exact computer counterexamples showing that its proposed rule fails in both directions.
Danai, Ellis, and Thanatipanonda formulated Version C's subtract-three conjecture in 2026: under the stated multiplicity conditions, losing positions should be exactly those with token count divisible by , apart from one exception.
Known results
- The conjecture was verified computationally for and (Danai, Ellis, and Thanatipanonda, 2026).
- The paper supplies no general proof.
- Its separate large-gap examples do not satisfy for every size, so they are not counterexamples here.
Posted attempt
A reader claims exact backward-induction computations give a winning position with and a losing position with , disproving both implications beyond the tested range. The attempt claims a complete disproof, but it has not been independently verified.
Current status (as of August 2026): the conjecture has no published proof, while an unverified posted computation claims counterexamples to both directions.
Sources
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Primary source
Alon Danai, Paul Ellis and Thotsaporn Aek Thanatipanonda, “Generalizing OOOOOOB”, arXiv:2605.23213 (2026).
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Counterexample beyond the source's computationally verified range.
Take seven distinct pile sizes, with multiplicities
Every multiplicity is at least two, and this is not the explicitly excluded three-size position . The total number of tokens is
The conjecture therefore predicts that this is a losing position.
In fact it is a winning position. Remove one token from each of the two distinct size-one piles. This legal Version C move leaves
which is a losing position by exact backward induction.
For completeness, the entire certificate is reproducible with the following terminating recursion. A state records the multiplicities of piles of sizes ; trailing zero multiplicities are deleted. Every legal move reduces the total token count by one or two.
from functools import cache
def norm(a):
while a and a[-1] == 0:
a = a[:-1]
return a
def followers(a):
for i, count in enumerate(a):
if count == 0:
continue
b = list(a)
b[i] -= 1
if i:
b[i - 1] += 1
yield norm(tuple(b))
for j in range(i, len(a)):
if a[j] <= (i == j):
continue
b = list(a)
b[i] -= 1
b[j] -= 1
if i:
b[i - 1] += 1
if j:
b[j - 1] += 1
yield norm(tuple(b))
@cache
def losing(a):
return not any(losing(b) for b in followers(a))
a = (2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
b = (0, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 3)
assert b in set(followers(a))
assert losing(b)
assert not losing(a)
assert losing.cache_info().currsize == 35528
The recursion is exact because the empty position has no followers and every other position is losing exactly when every legal follower is winning. Its 35,528 states constitute a finite exhaustive certificate.
The paper reports verification only for at most five distinct pile sizes. The counterexample has seven, satisfies every stated multiplicity condition, and disproves the unrestricted subtract-three characterization.
Source: Danai, Ellis, and Thanatipanonda, Generalizing OOOOOOB, Conjecture 3.1, https://arxiv.org/html/2605.23213 .
Both directions fail. Consider also
Again every multiplicity is at least two and the position is not the excluded example. Its token count is
Thus the conjecture predicts a winning position, but the same exact backward-induction recursion above gives
Both examples are verified by the identical recursion over a combined 71,835 states. Therefore divisibility by three is neither sufficient nor necessary for a losing position, with both failures occurring at seven distinct pile sizes beyond the authors' tested range.