Ellipsoidal separation conjecture for totally positive matrix families

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Let Bn,Vn,CnRn×n\mathcal{B}_n, \mathcal{V}_n, \mathcal{C}_n \subset \mathbb{R}^{n \times n} denote the Bidiagonal-product, Vandermonde, and Cauchy totally positive matrix families generated by the random models of Section~. Let π:Rn×nR3\pi: \mathbb{R}^{n \times n} \to \mathbb{R}^3 map a matrix AA to the three highest-order coefficients (an1,an2,an3)(a_{n-1},a_{n-2},a_{n-3}) of its characteristic polynomial. For a level α(0,1)\alpha\in(0,1) and one of these families, let Eα(n)R3E^{\alpha}(n)\subset\mathbb{R}^3 be the Mahalanobis ellipsoid of the corresponding projected cloud enclosing a fraction α\alpha of its samples.

Ellipsoidal separation conjecture. For every fixed α(0,1)\alpha\in(0,1), there exists a dimension n0(α)n_0(\alpha) such that, for all nn0(α)n\ge n_0(\alpha), the three ellipsoids EBα(n),EVα(n),ECα(n)E^{\alpha}_{\mathcal{B}}(n), E^{\alpha}_{\mathcal{V}}(n), E^{\alpha}_{\mathcal{C}}(n) are pairwise disjoint, and their pairwise separation, measured in units of the cloud spread, stays bounded below by a positive constant as nn grows. Equivalently, each family occupies its own convex, approximately ellipsoidal region of coefficient space, and these regions do not merge as the dimension increases.

The conjecture formalizes the observed increasing geometric separation among the three random totally positive matrix families in the space of their highest-order characteristic-polynomial coefficients. Establishing it would require asymptotic control of the projected centroids and covariances together with concentration bounds for (an1,an2,an3)(a_{n-1},a_{n-2},a_{n-3}); the supplied context presents this as the main open problem suggested by the experiments, with no resolution stated.

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Tiago Closs and Leandro Farina, “Totally Positive Matrices and the Highest-Order Coefficients of the Characteristic Polynomial”, arXiv:2607.18148 (2026).

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