Characterization of measure sequences defining a density
Let be a discrete group, and let be a sequence of measures on . A sequence of measures defines a density in the sense that the associated upper density is mensural if, for every , it satisfies
Measure-sequence characterization. The sequences of measures defining a density in this sense are precisely those satisfying
for all . The question concerns which sequences of measures yield densities, extending the measure-based descriptions of asymptotic and logarithmic densities; the supplied text does not state whether this criterion has been proved or remains conjectural.
References
Primary source
Szilárd Gy. Révész and Imre Z. Ruzsa, “Densitometria I. Discrete groups”, arXiv:2511.18064 (2025).
Progress summary
A reader-submitted argument claims the normalized version is proved and the literal wording is false, but neither claim has been independently verified.
The problem asks whether the translation-invariance condition exactly characterizes measure sequences whose upper densities satisfy the required density axioms. The formulation does not explicitly require the measures to be probability measures.
Known results
- A 2025 source records sufficiency of the translation-invariance condition and reports no resolution of necessity as of November 2025.
Community submission (unverified), August 26, 2026
A submitted proof argues that, for probability measures on infinite commutative discrete groups, the condition is necessary and sufficient, using a selector lemma to obtain translation invariance. It also claims the literal unnormalized formulation is false by counterexample. Both claims are unverified.
Current status (as of August 2026): The literal formulation has only an unverified claimed counterexample, while the normalized version has only an unverified claimed proof; neither version is independently settled.
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Solutions 1
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Mensural densities and Reiter sequences
Corrected statement
Let be an infinite commutative discrete group, and let be probability measures:
For , put
Then is an upper density in the sense of Révész--Ruzsa if and only if, for every ,
This proves the normalized, and evidently intended, version of Conjecture 12.3 in Révész--Ruzsa. The word “probability” is absent from the literal statement in the paper; without it the conjecture is false. A counterexample to the literal wording is given below.
The sufficiency of (1) is noted in the source. The substance is necessity.
Properties of upper densities used
We use only two consequences of the definition, both recorded in Statement 9.3 of the source.
- If are disjoint, then
- If is obtained from by a bijection whose displacements belong to one finite subset of , then
The second property is called perturbation invariance.
The selector lemma
The following is the main point of the proof.
Lemma. Let be an upper density on . Suppose is a finitely additive probability measure on all subsets of such that
Then is translation invariant.
Proof. Fix .
First suppose that has infinite order. Fix an integer . Choose a transversal for the cosets of the cyclic subgroup . Partition every -orbit into the blocks
Let
The sets partition . Equation (2) gives
Call a set a selector if it contains exactly one point from each of the displayed -point blocks. Every selector is a perturbation of : move its selected point in a block to that block's zeroth point. Every displacement is one of . Thus (3) gives
By (4), . Since the partition and , in fact
Let , and let lie in . The two sets
are selectors, they are disjoint, and their union is . Equations (4), (6), and (7) imply
Consequently both inequalities are equalities. Comparing with
gives
Now take an arbitrary and write . For , equation (8), applied to , gives
All terms therefore cancel in , except possibly the piece crossing from to . By (7),
Since is arbitrary, .
If has finite order , choose a transversal for the cosets of , and put for . The same selector and swap argument gives (8) for all residues. There is now no boundary error because . Thus exactly. The case is immediate. Since was arbitrary, is translation invariant.
Necessity
Assume that
is an upper density. Let be any free ultrafilter on , and define
Ultrafilter limits preserve finite sums and positivity. Because every is a probability measure, is a finitely additive probability measure. Moreover,
The selector lemma shows that every is translation invariant.
It follows that, for every fixed and ,
Indeed, if (12) failed, then after passing to a subsequence and choosing one sign there would be an for which the difference were always at least , or always at most . A free ultrafilter concentrated on that subsequence would give a non-translation-invariant , a contradiction.
Fix , and define the signed -vectors
Equation (12) says that for every indicator . It follows for every finite-valued bounded function by linearity. Such functions uniformly approximate every , while
Hence
Thus is weakly null in . The Schur property of now gives
which is (1).
This last step is valid even when is uncountable. Every vector has countable support, so the union of the supports of the sequence is a countable set . The whole sequence lies in , and the usual countable Schur theorem applies. Every functional in extends to one in , so (13) is precisely the needed weak convergence on that subspace.
Sufficiency
Assume (1), and define for every bounded real function
Probability normalization gives norming on constants. Monotonicity, nonnegative homogeneity, and subadditivity are immediate. For every ,
Thus . By restricted subtractivity (Statement 2.5 of the source), is an upper mean. Its restriction to indicators is exactly , so is an upper density.
Why normalization cannot be omitted
Take . Let
Thus is a probability measure, whereas . Interleave them:
For every , . Therefore
because restricting the endpoint to even integers changes the ratios by
o(1). This is the ordinary asymptotic upper density. Hence this unnormalized
sequence really does define an upper density.
On the other hand, and its translate by have disjoint supports and both have mass , so
The sequence therefore violates (1). This refutes the necessity direction of the conjecture if “measures” is read literally as arbitrary finite positive measures. The zero sequence also shows that (1) alone is not sufficient for norming.
The probability-measure hypothesis, or at least the condition , is used exactly where the ultrafilter limit is made a probability and the selector inequalities are forced to be equalities.
Dependencies
- Révész--Ruzsa, Definition 2.1 and Statement 2.5 (upper means and restricted subtractivity).
- Révész--Ruzsa, Definition 9.1 and Statement 9.3(c),(e) (upper densities, restricted additivity, and perturbation invariance).
- The standard ultrafilter compactness principle.
- The classical Schur property of .
No amenability theorem, Følner theorem, or computation is used.
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