The back-and-forth complexity tradeoff conjecture

For a countable structure M\mathcal{M}, write {N:NnM}\{\mathcal{N}:\mathcal{N}\geq_n\mathcal{M}\} and {N:NnM}\{\mathcal{N}:\mathcal{N}\leq_n\mathcal{M}\} for the classes of countable structures related to M\mathcal{M} by the corresponding back-and-forth relations. Here Πk0\Pi^0_k and Σk0\Sigma^0_k denote the effective Borel complexity classes, and an index set is mm-complete when it is many-one complete.

Back-and-forth complexity tradeoff conjecture. For the indicated parity conditions, there are structures with the following exact complexities:

  1. For even n2n\geq 2, there is a structure M\mathcal{M} such that
{N:NnM}\{\mathcal{N}:\mathcal{N}\geq_n\mathcal{M}\}

is Π2n0\Pi^0_{2n} but not Σ2n0\Sigma^0_{2n}.

  1. For odd n3n\geq 3, there is a structure M\mathcal{M} such that
{N:NnM}\{\mathcal{N}:\mathcal{N}\geq_n\mathcal{M}\}

is Π2n10\Pi^0_{2n-1} but not Π2n10\Pi^0_{2n-1}.

  1. For even n2n\geq 2, there is a structure M\mathcal{M} such that
{N:NnM}\{\mathcal{N}:\mathcal{N}\leq_n\mathcal{M}\}

is Π2n10\Pi^0_{2n-1} but not Σ2n10\Sigma^0_{2n-1}.

  1. For odd n3n\geq 3, there is a structure M\mathcal{M} such that
{N:NnM}\{\mathcal{N}:\mathcal{N}\leq_n\mathcal{M}\}

is Π2n0\Pi^0_{2n} but not Σ2n0\Sigma^0_{2n}.

Moreover, each assertion is witnessed by an index-set result for countable structures; for example, in (1), the index set {i:NinM}\{i:\mathcal{N}_i\leq_n\mathcal{M}\} is Π2n0\Pi^0_{2n} mm-complete.

The conjecture formalizes the claimed tradeoff between lower quantifier complexity and non-effectivity in the formulas defining back-and-forth relations. The source does not provide a proof or resolution, and notes that the parity distinction comes from the base case of the back-and-forth game.

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Primary source

Ruiyuan Chen, David Gonzalez and Matthew Harrison-Trainor, “Optimal Syntactic Definitions of Back-and-Forth Types”, arXiv:2505.00893 (2025).

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